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** CALORIES PART 1 **
I know I'm asking for a fight when I pop this puppy up, but as we argue, please take the time to hear what each person says and relax the dogma for a moment. All arguments have validity, so play nice, kids.
Personally, I've got my dietary act together. I can control my weight up, down, or sideways. That's not me bragging; that's pointing out a fact to preface what I'll say next...
Many of my friends here on FatSecret don't have this benefit. Some are dying to lose even half a pound because of a 3-week stall.
We are not all the same. We hear it all the time on here. "Just do ____" or "just try eating more/less ____" is the resounding anthem of advice to those who struggle.
Eventually, someone drops the CICO card and then the smackdown begins and we cross our arms and walk away mad and the person seeking support is spinning their head like "WTF, mate?!"
I'm very moderate in my views - not diehard regarding CICO because it does have a few holes in its science, but the general principal stands true: having less calories consumed than exerted - over time - forces the body to use adipose body fat for energy.
I was doing some research and learning a bit from the likes of Dr. Jason Fung as he is a well-cited source in some circles within our community whose approach is - to simplify - that body fat is used when insulin is reduced (read it here: https://www.dietdoctor.com/first-law-thermodynamics-utterly-irrelevant).
You'll notice he picks a red herring; going hard after "thermodynamics". To be fair, I've thrown thermodynamics out there a few times myself, but it's not just parroted information for me. Certainly thermodynamics deals with heat, but it also encompasses VARIOUS ENERGY FORMS. Including calories, which is how we measure physiological energy.
But I digress... the hole I poke into CICO is that it's not just "in", "stored", and "out". What about "used" ala muscle production, organ function, etc. that remains within the body? There are anomalies like the kid that can eat anything and never gain weight.
Sleep, hormones, disease... there are many issues that separate us and make us unique. We must understand this when advising one another and there is no one box we all fit into.
There are principals that are universal though!
👍CALORIES ARE IMPORTANT👍
So, to end part 1 of this novel, I leave you with a quick synopsis of the history and function of a calorie. This is whacky, but spot-on, so please take a second to understand it better.
❤ http://physiqonomics.com/calories/ ❤
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So we both in camp #3? Post gym I opted for basmati rice chicken and Greek yogurt over leftover KFC, froot loops, special k, cinnamon toast crunch, or raisin swirl bread. The wife got a family pack at KFC yesterday and haven't touched it. 😭
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: Cb1006
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Eh I'd overdo all that crap. KFC will never be a post workout meal for me. Along with pizza (sorry Diablo) or any other fast food..
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: Cb1006
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But I might have some chicken tomorrow for lunch! 😉
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: Cb1006
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No need to apologize, lol! People can do as they wish. It's a personal super food we all have to find the foods that work for ourselves. Nice post, Chris!
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: -Diablo
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I have definitely decreased my calories and I have definitely lost weight but before the "new diet" it didn't matter how few calories I ate...I didn't lose. Now when I quit soda I lost and I know part of it was CICO simply because I was drinking 2 liters a day...yes you heard that right...2 a day!! What's changed this time is how much I eat (strictly talking about grams of food) and what kinds of foods. So...I'm on the fence. I don't think it's as simple as some people would like to think (mostly my ex-doctors but whatever) Lol, I think it's just way more individual than that. This doctor has worked with me to find solutions and that has made all the difference!
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: katies71
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How do you measure the calorie content of something you eat without a nutrition label?
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: vlhiii
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Regardless the method (diet) u need cico period. Yes sounds about right 😉
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: rosio19
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23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: JerseyShera
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Calories in calories out? Duh?
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: JerseyShera
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Feinman, together with Eugene Fine have published some mission critical research on carbohydrate restriction. They have also assaulted the simplistic CICO model on thermodynamic grounds, showing conclusively that when you consider a thermodynamic concept called “entropy,” the conventional wisdom about calories actually violates the laws of physics! Here’s a pivotal quote from their 2004 paper, “A calorie is a calorie” violates the second law of thermodynamics, published in Nutrition Journal:
“The idea that “a calorie is a calorie” comes from a misunderstanding of the laws of thermodynamics. There are two laws of thermodynamics…The second law is a dissipation law [which] says that variation of efficiency for different metabolic pathways is to be expected. Thus, ironically the dictum that a “calorie is a calorie” violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle….Attacking the obesity epidemic will involve giving up many old ideas that have not been productive. “A calorie is a calorie” might be a good place to start.”
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: vlhiii
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I have a question chrisw77. What if the amount we burn daily, active calories plus resting calories (I have an Apple Watch) it way more than what I eat? Am I underrating and working against myself? I know a deficit is needed, but I don’t want the deficit too extreme. I want to eat as much as possible, lose fat, not weight necessarily and build some muscle, or add to what I already have. I’m not a beginner but hardly comment but read all your stuff, plus a few others and I’m hooked!! 😊 Just a bit about me, I do some HIIT and strength train 4-5 days a week, own a cleaning business and I do very physical work daily, beside working out. I burn outrageous calories on my busy days. I eat very well, carbs, protein and healthy fats. I heard a long time ago not to adhere to any practice I cannot do for life and stay with that. I’ve seen some extremes that I’m not interested in. What I do now, I want to be doing 20 years from now if God spates me! Within reason of course!
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: wifey9707
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Chrisw77, I'm going to have to sit you in time-out if you don't stop tormenting our little Diablo! Now, be good!
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: To145
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The funny thing is that people that claim that calories don't matter for weight loss are actually eating 1200 calories per day or less. 🤔🤷♀️
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: Keilin_4
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Chris, good post & I follow CICO, and we try to enjoy a bad meal a couple times a month!! Luckily working out 🏋️♀️ 5 to 6 times a week helps burn those “bad” Cals!!
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: srossca
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Where do I take deficit from, total resting and active Cals for the day? Trying to get some numbers. FS gives me 1900 to eat daily, but I burn 2700 plus most days in total. Seems to me I should eat 2200 minimum. I feel decent on 1900, not starving but could definitely eat more and not feel stuffed.
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: wifey9707
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I've had some questions about CICO myself. I'm operating at a deficit of between 1000 and 2000 calories on any given day, but my weight on the scale isn't dropping very rapidly. I having to cinch up the belt a bit and my performance is increasing, so I'm not too terribly worried about the actual weight loss at this moment. But what I've wondered about is this: Could it be that CICO is completely accurate, but ignores the fact that your body does everything in its power to maintain homeostasis? I'm talking about the change in metabolism to stable out changes in the body's situation, of course. In other words, let's say that every 3500 calories burned more than eaten = exactly 1 pound of fat cut. Fine, but does your body burn the same amount of calories every day for the same exercises? If I burn exactly what FS activity tracker says I do, I should, in theory, shrink down rapidly to about half my current size fairly quickly -- or starve. Neither has occurred yet lol. Seems I read somewhere that no one, no matter how big, has ever starved to death on 1500 calories a day?
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: Vocatus
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oh, and I don't mean to say that your body will do everything in its power to stop you from changing your composition -- I'm just throwing that out there as a question. I studied straight Chemistry and only took Biology because I had to lol
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: Vocatus
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When I restarted with weightless journey due to the weight I gained with hypo thyroid my doctor told me no diet has proven effective to treat what I have, but that doesn't mean I should't try it. For some people AIP works and for some it is Keto. He says we are all individuals and since there is still so much to learn about autoimmune diseases it is hard to treat them. So I did research and I'm trying Keto. I don't have hoshimotos so gluten isn't the problem. Some people say to cut dairy, but since I need Vitamin D and it only works with Calcium I eat dairy. Did I mention my body doesn't absorb supplements so I have to absorb things in food/drink form. I liked this post because you are correct. What works for me might not work for you and vise versa.
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: 1982nodak
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Not looking for magic, but don’t want to undereat either, not too extreme I mean. Deficits can be too low right? I know people who go so low they gain or stall fir months, they try going lower thinking they still eat too much. Do you believe that’s possible? Seems crazy to me. I don’t want to do that.
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: wifey9707
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It's probably mentioned somewhere in this thread or in the document for which you provided a link, but unfortunately, I'm in the middle of work and can't dive too deep. But in reading your initial journal entry, Chris, I just wanted to mention something: Basal metabolism is the one variable that affects us all differently..you mentioned it- the proverbial kid who can eat anything and not gain weight. It's a function of CICO, but on an internal level...the (hypothetical) kid's furnace is always set to 'high'. Conversely, my wife's basal metabolism is the opposite...she's always cold, and just looking at a bit of food results in a 5-pound gain. Before she threw her back out, she went from 325 to 128..with only diet and exercise...and ran a 1/2 marathon at age 40 for the first time. To stay that weight, she needed to eat small salads, and run every day. But when she hurt her back (blown disc...from doing free SQUATS...when I told her she didn't need to do them, to do leg presses instead...but she listened to her trainer, not me), she couldn't run anymore, and subsequently put back about 80 pounds. Moral of the story is all our furnaces are set to different temperatures; and listen to your husband ! lol
23 Jan 19 oleh anggota: lvisman96
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